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  Whitney Heichel - first hand account from congregation member on Facebook

  by sir82 in

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  why, he even has gone to some meetings at their kingdom hall!

  someone calls with a large wedding tent that they would like to donate and set up in the kingdom hall parking lot for the public memorial on friday.

  i was amazed how people who came that didnt even know whitney, but simply felt a need to be here and comfort the family.

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  Having small children go door to door without their parents.

  by life is to short in

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  ok so my husband still goes out in service.

  last weekend he worked with an elder who is in his late 50's, another brother who is in his mid 60's, my husband is in his mid 60's and the idiot who conducted the meeting put a eight or nine year old girl with them.. i asked my husband why?

  he said he thought it was strange also.

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  OK so my husband still goes out in service. Last weekend he worked with an elder who is in his late 50's, another brother who is in his mid 60's, my husband is in his mid 60's and the idiot who conducted the meeting put a eight or nine year old girl with them.

  I asked my husband why? He said he thought it was strange also. The parents were out in service and it was just the way it wound up. It just totally creeps me out she is just a child.

  This girl's mom was the one who went to the elders and ratted me out for telling her that there were three pedophiles in the hall when this girl was three years old. The elder she talked to threatened to DF me for causing divisions in the hall and told me he had to convince this mom that the pedophiles were indeed safe to let her child be around.

  I do not know why it bothers me so much. I drilled my husband about if he was ever alone with the girl and he assured me over and over he was never alone but I just do not think it was right. If she had to go alone without her mom and dad put her with a family not three old men. Why would parents ever let the child go alone like that? OK the mom is beyond stupid I get but still.

  Am I wrong for finding this upsetting? I just cannot put my finger on why this upsets me so much.

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  Whitney Heichel - first hand account from congregation member on Facebook

  by sir82 in

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  why, he even has gone to some meetings at their kingdom hall!

  someone calls with a large wedding tent that they would like to donate and set up in the kingdom hall parking lot for the public memorial on friday.

  i was amazed how people who came that didnt even know whitney, but simply felt a need to be here and comfort the family.

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  The bank thing is a total lie. I worked in three different banks here in the Pacific Northwest, my state boards Organ and never in a million years would someone give out information unless they had a court order. Plus Whitney's husband could have just went in and retrieved the information himself without asking someone to break the law.

  Also I am sure if Clint Heichel had called Bethel first they would have told him to NOT GO TO THE POLICE! That he should think of the reproach it might bring on Jehovah's name.

  My husband and I were told NOT TO GO TO THE POLICE NO MATTER WHAT when we were being stalked by a brother when we were first married.

  Also I live about 600 miles from where this happened and I thought that it was on the new here Tuesday night. I am almost sure of it. So so much for the 24 hours before the police got involved.

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  Richard Rawe

  by Outaservice in

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  it was reported to me in an e-mail that richard rawe of soap lake, washington has died.. many of you might remember him and god rest his soul.. outaservice.

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  I am sad to hear this.

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  My introduction/experience

  by happy@last in

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  i have only just recently found this site, in fact only recently gone online to do research of my own about jws.

  before i left i had only gone on my gut instinct, not even realising i was not alone with my feelings.

  the week i was appointed an elder some 11 years ago, i had had to write to a congregation many miles away from me about how unloving they were (more details below).. not long after i started to have concerns about jws, expecially as the message of 'following the bibles message' subtly changed to 'follow the fds', this did not sit well with me.

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  happy@last: The elders in my previous congregation, who had been on the committee told us to 'move on' with our lives, and warned that we could be dealt with for slander if we were to tell anyone.

  Your story is almost identical to mine expect I was an elders wife instead of an elder.

  I too lost 20 pounds in two months and I feel did have a nervous break down. I could not sleep or eat. I just could not believe what I was seeing was truly happening.

  I just reread some of you story. This pedophile would sit by me like he tired to your sister, my husband begged the elders to stop it. Instead they told me I was the one who was following him and sitting by him? Oh my God it was insane. I would put my meeting bag on my seat before he even came into the hall and then I would move my bag when he sat by me, he would then move his bag to where I was sitting, I would then move again and he would then move again. Yet I was the one following HIM?

  One time he grabbed my arm coming up quickly behind me. I almost screamed yet I was the one following him?

  I too called instead of writing another hall and begged this PO in the other hall to help me. He did nothing, NOTHING. I will never forgive them, I just can't.

  I was just flabbergasted that they let a man who raped kids little kid go door to door study with people who had children.

  It was what cased me to leave.

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  Update:Jonathan Holt

  by Iamallcool in

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  http://www.kgw.com/home/docs-holt-had-guns-child-porn-and-stolen-iphone-176052031.html.

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  A Couple Points about New Elders Child Abuse Letter Directions ...........

  by flipper in

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  in aragon's thread which has reached 6 pages a couple of points were touched on that i wanted to bring out but thought these points deserved a whole thread to dissect and discuss them.. first off : there seems to be a total hypocrisy , arrogance, or typical speaking out of both sides of their mouth when the wt instructions in the letter says :.

  " the branch office, not the local body of elders, determines whether an individual who has sexually abused children in the past will be considered a ' predator ' .

  then this quote from the 1997 wt instructions : " and the congregation cannot read hearts to tell who is and who is not liable to molest children again.

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  Great posts Flipper and undercover I agree the BSA has sounded just like the WTS since I first heard of the secret' documents last week.

  On a side note as in my hall I think some is really wrong with the elders who allow this they truly cannot be that brainwashed can they. Come on you have a man in the hall who made kids do oral sex on him and the elders fondle all over him like he is some big celebrity. Something just does not add up.

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  2012 Watchtower Projector/Dell Manual--Elders Meet with Pioneers and Missionaries/Memorial Outline!

  by Atlantis in

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  pages 2-8 of this manual are marked "confidential" in the bottom left of the pages.. .

  file 1.2012 watchtower projector/dell manual.169 pages.click the link in the blue box by the blue arrow.http://www.sendspace.com/file/q9h07u..click the link below and when the next page appears click on slow download.http://www.fileswap.com/dl/ghxiqvrevh/..click the link below and when the next page appears look to your left and click the link that says, 2012 dell watchtower manual pdf.http://www.fileflyer.com/view/8qmoob9..----------------------------------------------------------------------------.file 2.

  (same download instructions as above.

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  How will the WT "officially" respond to the Heichel case?

  by sir82 in

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  the case is garnering national attention.

  it's pretty evident that both murderer and victim were jws, most likely in "good standing".

  the jw angle is playing more prominently as details unfold.

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  I heard of Blondies story but I have not read this account. I agree boc that the story just makes my heart hurt. Looking back on my years in the religion I can understand how it could have happened through.

  When I was just a teenager I have burned into my mind this step mom who would beat her step son who was only four years old in the car group. I will remember this one day forever where she beat him and the look on his face was so sad. No one said a word to this woman who was by the way a pioneer at the time. I was just 15 years old myself and my family was very similar so in some ways I kind of thought it was normal, the kid did nothing through is what got to me, she was just ticked off that she had to have him with her in service that day and the fact that he was breathing was upsetting her.

  Latter on when her own son was in his 20's he shot himself to death in her back yard.
  
  I still cannot get over the fact that no one said anything to her and there were at least two other adults in the car group that day.

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  Whitney Heichel killed by multiple gunshots

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  autopsy - whitney killed by multiple gunshots.. http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopular/story/autopsy-whitney-killed-by-multiple-gunshots/pfbmma18luksrgnszxpxfq.cspx.

  salem, ore. -- the oregon state medical examiner's office announced monday the death of 21-year-old whitney heichel was caused by multiple gunshot wounds.

  heichel's body was found friday afternoon on larch mountain in east multnomah county.. .

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  Also the fact that Jonathan Holt was just an acquaintance of the Heichel's is a total lie. Not in the "truth" he was their spiritual brother.

  When the pedophile that dated my sister moved into our hall and I told the elders that he had been in prison for child rape they asked where was my proof. Here I was an elder's wife and they were basically calling me a liar. The elders never checked the facts just called me a lair and we even had an attorney elder in the hall who could have easley gotten the records when I told them. But no they let this guy interact with everyone including the kids in the hall.

  So I got this guys PUBLIC court records and the records said he was an incurable sexual psychopath highly likely to reoffend. Not only would the elders not take the copies of the court records I retrieved but one elder acted like I had broken the law to have them. They were records PUBLIC. Open to the PUBLIC!

  So anyway I went to the CO and DO about it. Both the CO and DO flipped out at me worried that I might tell someone in the hall what I knew.

  Since my husband was an elder at the time we would feed the speaker, the pedophile wanted to come along and I told the body of elders I would NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS EAT WITH A MAN WHO HAD RAPED KIDS.

  I got into trouble for that because this man was my "BROTHER" in the "truth" and I had better treat him like a BROTHER PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I was told.

  So for now to hear them say that Holt was just an acquaintance of the Heichel's is a huge lie. He was a baptized brother in the truth. He was Whitney's spiritual brother.

  I am sure being she was so young that is why she gave him a ride we were all brain washed to let go of our better judgment and do what the elders told us.

  Plus I truly wonder what the elders knew about Holt and just never told anyone. Like the child molesters in my hall, we had three at one time and NO ONE WAS ALLOWED TO KNOW!!!!!!! Could the elders have stopped this from happening?

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